Leaving the discussion about theories, perception and beliefs and going back to the thread topic:
welcome @ilu, what a "lucky coincidence" to see you here, grab some popcorn
are you implying i may be offtopic in the offtopic forum? that sounds like "division by zero" to me
j/k i understand what you mean, but i think you are wrong and will try to demonstrate why.
A problem with scientific studies and papers is that many of them are very hard or even impossible to understand for people who don't have enough knowledge in the relevant field. They are usually not written for the general public. Even specialised journalists often fail to represent the meaning of such papers.
you are absolutely right about the first thing, but if "specialised journalists often fail to represent the meaning of such papers" it may be because they are not paid to tell you the TRUTH, but to sell you an AGENDA. the agenda depends on who is paying them, the end goal of the agenda is always to make more money. AFAIK NOBODY in this world gets paid to say the truth. that doesnt even make ANY sense to me, does it to you? sure, soon the mass media is gonna roll out this info into the general public, but not because its the truth, but because it suits them and that way you can make more money. thats why i wouldnt take things like ghoulgl ted-talk seriously. imagine someone at that company coming to the guy in charge saying: "maybe we should invite THIS person to speak." im pretty sure he would get asked: "WHY should WE PAY HER to do that?" IF he would reply with: "well, because she is telling the TRUTH" i guess the whole room would burst out laughing and someone would spill his coffe on the table.
this is not "hair-splitting" or "offtopic", this is fundamental knowledge of relevant causal connections in the real world that we live in. IF we want to talk seriously about AI, we need to understand and define what "intelligence" is in the first place. to do that we need to understand the underlying principles of science, which is causality as explained in philosophy.
nothing in this world ever happened without a reason, just because nobody knows the reason doesnt mean it happened without it. if you talk to young people they often believe in some "chaos-principle" because they lack experience and by proxy knowledge about causal connections. causality is a fundamental part of our mind, thats why everybody always asks "why?" people know things happen for a reason, its like an instict, even animals "know" that.
in sociology (human interactions) those reasons are called "motives", and motives are almost ALWAYS EGOISTIC.
so after all this long foreplay i will post some EXAMPLE of what im talking about (concerning AI). i choose this because its not impossible to understand and it was one of the first papers i read on the topic. it was also part of the "documents" section of my "home-folder" which disappeared for some reason and "ilu" helped me to recover in "some other thread", so there is another "coincidence"
i dont have this paper from a a scientific journal, but it holds up to any "scientific standards" i know of. i even disagree on some details, but that is irrelevant, as i am an autodidact and dont hold any scientific degree in a field relevant to this topic.
i am just gonna quote some stuff that i think is relevant, the whole thing has 8 pages. this is just ONE paper by an italian scientist. she thinks that on a grand scale what is happening here, is just "evolution" and for all i know, the people in charge are all on board with that opinion.
i will cite in 3 different parts for your reading convenience. as i said before, they are hundreds or thousands of other papers/studies out there, depending on which topic you are looking for exactly. every paper or study has AT LEAST 15 other scientific sources, so you can do the math.
first of all concerning the point i was trying to make above (motives & money):
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V. A VAILABILITY OF DATA AND MATERIALSAll material, data and figures are shared publicly, as openaccess articles, or preprint papers on ResearchGate.VI. F UNDINGThere are not grants or founders. The author also didn’treceive any compensation for her work.VII. C OMPETING INTERESTSThe author declares that the research was conducted in theabsence of any commercial or financial relationships thatcould be construed as a potential conflict of interest and allwork was developed with her own founds.VIII. D ECLARATIONSThe undersigned Kira Smith claims to be the sole authorof this research paper and to have had no collaborators.
then ON TOPIC:
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...it is the graphene that reacts to electromagnetic fields and electromagnetic microwaves,self-assembles, according to DNA-based nanopatterns to markthe order of construction and electrophoresis/teslaphoresis totrigger the process in the solution materials (hydrogel) intoelectronic nanocircuits, with real nanoscale components, suchas nanorouter, nanoantenna, etc. , formed of graphene, whichacts as a signal repeater, since it is radio modulable, i.e. ableto absorb electromagnetic waves and multiply their radiation;these electronic components are organized in Quantum Dots(GQDs) and Quantum Cells (QCA), particles that enjoy theabove properties of graphene, exponentially greater, thanks tothe Quantum Hall effect, especially in environments such as thehuman body. It will thus create an intracorporal network ornanonetwork, which will detect every vital parameter, but alsoevery slightest variation inside the body, thanks to the advancedand compressed electronics, superimposed on 3D. The collectedsignals would then be sent, through a gateway connected tothe 5G network, on the Internet, to be stored in a huge clouddatabase and processed by software based on Machine Learning,exploiting the computing power of quantum computers. Theultimate goal could be to store and eventually reproduce whatwe call "consciousness", in perpetuity.
now it gets really "funny":
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II. M AIN TEXTA. NANONETWORK AND NANOCOMMUNICATIONSThe packet routing system used is called CORONA(COordinate and ROuting System for NAnonetworks). [7]This model requires the configuration of nanonodes dis-tributed throughout the body, i.e., nanosensors and nanoan-tennas, which have the ability to achieve high transmissionrates over very short distances when operating in the mostpromising operating spectrum of the Terahertz band(0.1 -10.0 THz), which propagate the signal to the other nanon-odes; some of them must be fixed and are positioned on thebody tissue (endothelium, blood vessel walls and tissues of thevarious organs) like an anchor, and triangulate the positionof the other nanonodes, measuring their distance and thehops in the connection; others are instead mobile, since theyare present in the circulatory system, i.e. dynamic with theability to aim at specific targets. In the operational phase,the routing uses the appropriate subset of anchors, requiredby the sender of the packet, to transmit the data. This systemoperates efficiently, resulting in packet re transmission andvery low loss rate, promoting energy efficiency. [8]Sending data outside the body must be sufficiently pow-erful, while maintaining optimal signal clarity, since skinhydration, propagation distance and frequency range affectthe loss of trajectory that blurs the signal and with it themessage; it is therefore important to use different frequen-cies: 0.1 - 4 THz to pass through the epidermis; for signalpropagation through the blood and resistant gases in thelungs, the range is: 0.01 - 0.96 THz.Subsequently, the CORONA model was improved andsimplified, allowing the transmission of packets to moredistant anchors, avoiding intermediate steps: it was thencompleted with a multi-hop routing scheme based on adistributed cluster, with cluster selection algorithm; it wasthen renamed DCCORONA
so, regarding the mentioned "confirmation bias", i understand completely WHY somebody may choose not to believe this. and he has every right to NOT "believing" this.
trust me when i say i would rather have it, this is all complete BS. but the more you study this and especially if you see relevant phenomena happening in REAL LIFE it will sink in, and then there is no going back.
some may say "god would NEVER allow for this!". well good luck with that, he allowed for some other very questionable stuff in the past, so i think "god helps those who help themself".
typing all this stuff sure takes a lot of time, talking would be way quicker. but i hope it helps at least one person out there to make some "personal progress". if it does, it was well worth it.
Statistics: Posted by assyrix — 2025-04-29 14:37
